Embrace Movement: Self-Care and Fitness for People with MS
Jun 22, 2023Season 1Episode 3
Callum
What if you could transform your fitness routine and improve your overall health, even if you're living with a medical condition like multiple sclerosis? Join us as we chat with Meg Stickle, a certified personal trainer and expert in seniors fitness and aqua fitness, about her journey into the fitness industry and how her experience working with seniors and people with medical conditions has shaped her career. Meg shares her insights on the importance of self-care and ownership of one's health and fitness, as well as her journey of learning how to exercise with different populations.
Discover how to stretch and move your body to stay healthy, and how having a goal can motivate you to stay active. Meg shares her tips on incorporating three to four exercises at a time into our day and how stretching for just 15 minutes can lead to positive outcomes. We also discuss the importance of signing up for a short-term goal to stay motivated and how that helps us be more committed to eating healthy and doing more stretching. Additionally, we discuss exercise habits for people with MS, including the importance of listening to your body's needs when it comes to exercise and how to create an exercise routine that works for you. Listen in as Meg shares a fantastic resource called the MS Get Fit Toolkit, which provides guidelines and advice on how to fit exercise into your day.
What if you could transform your fitness routine and improve your overall health, even if you're living with a medical condition like multiple sclerosis? Join us as we chat with Meg Stickle, a certified personal trainer and expert in seniors fitness and aqua fitness, about her journey into the fitness industry and how her experience working with seniors and people with medical conditions has shaped her career. Meg shares her insights on the importance of self-care and ownership of one's health and fitness, as well as her journey of learning how to exercise with different populations.
Discover how to stretch and move your body to stay healthy, and how having a goal can motivate you to stay active. Meg shares her tips on incorporating three to four exercises at a time into our day and how stretching for just 15 minutes can lead to positive outcomes. We also discuss the importance of signing up for a short-term goal to stay motivated and how that helps us be more committed to eating healthy and doing more stretching. Additionally, we discuss exercise habits for people with MS, including the importance of listening to your body's needs when it comes to exercise and how to create an exercise routine that works for you. Listen in as Meg shares a fantastic resource called the MS Get Fit Toolkit, which provides guidelines and advice on how to fit exercise into your day.
Welcome to the Mentley Strong podcast. I'm Colm Sutherland. Join me on my journey as I explore and discover all there is to know about living well with multiple spurroses. I'm a normal guy who has recently diagnosed and started treatment. I will share with you my conversations with others who are living with this chronic condition and with professionals who provide resources and advice. My hope is to gain inspiration and ideas to improve your life. Today, i'm joined by Meg Stickle. I grew up in the Ottawa area and started teaching seniors fitness classes when she was 18. She studied psychology and gerontology at the University of Ottawa. She's a certified personal trainer, seniors fitness instructor, specializing in fitness for people with medical conditions, aqua fitness instructor and weight management consultant. She started her company AIM Fitness in 2013. Her and her team provide in-home personal training, group fitness classes, health and wellness presentations in Ottawa and online. Welcome to the podcast, meg.
Speaker 2:
Thank you, colm, good to be here.
Speaker 1:
Very happy to have you here, with one caveat. I was thinking about it before you came on. We met, i think, in 2019.
Speaker 2:
That's right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and I didn't qualify as your client in either category in 2019. I was not 50 and I didn't have any chronic decisions, but here we are.
Speaker 2:
That's right. I know a few years ago. Some things have changed.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, a little bit, not the least of which was COVID, but totally different topic and a different podcast. So obviously you've been in the fitness your whole life.
Speaker 2:
Very much, very close, very close. I've always been really active in my family. Instead of spending lots of time in front of the TV, we were always off doing something So biking, hiking, camping, canoeing. So I do definitely come from a very active family So I've always enjoyed it. And then it was really as a lifeguard.
Speaker 2:
I noticed that the aqua fitness instructors seemed to be having a bit more fun than the lifeguards, so I asked how I could get trained up, how I could do it, and I ended up doing it, thinking that this would be a fun part-time job, and really I'd say my fitness career really snowballed from there. I loved teaching fitness and had a lot of taught really all ages for the aqua fitness classes, and then I started teaching some chair exercise classes for seniors and really found my passion. Really I loved having people who wanted to learn and who were there because they wanted to. No one was forcing them to exercise, but they were doing this for their own reasons, you know, wanting to remain strong and have good balance and to feel good. So I really was very encouraged, i'd say early on, to see people who really took that ownership of their health and their fitness And I still find that so inspiring today.
Speaker 1:
So that would have been mainly with seniors, i'm guessing with chair fitness.
Speaker 2:
It was yes, so I was at the time I was working at a retirement residence full-time and I went in a little bit later those days So I was able to teach some morning classes. But those classes were definitely aimed for people retired. But had anyone from you know newly retired to working part-time, to have been retired for a long time?
Speaker 1:
And I think, if I read on your website correctly, you've always had an affiliation towards working with seniors in some way.
Speaker 2:
I have, yeah, so I studied psychology and gerontology with the intention to work with older, the older population. I started volunteering with older adults when I was 12 years old, so I've always really enjoyed working with the older population. And then, when I started my fitness business, it was just a natural fit to think about focusing on older adults, as that's where my experience lay. And yeah, but I have. Over the years, i have worked with people of all different ages, and you may want to know this too, but I've taught a fitness class for people with MS for about five or six years. I was looking back on my notes, and it was a really good chunk of time that I spent teaching this class in person in.
Speaker 1:
Ottawa, you just stole my next question.
Speaker 2:
Oh good, We're on the same page.
Speaker 1:
So when did you do that?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, so basically I was, I had started my own business and so I was doing in-home personal training and group fitness classes across the city. And I had a friend who was teaching this class. So it was an MS class at Jack Purcell once a week And she had to leave. She wasn't able to keep teaching, but she knew I was doing fitness classes And she said oh, what do you think about taking over the class? You'll get some training and it's a really amazing group of people. So I very quickly said, well, yeah, that sounds interesting.
Speaker 2:
I don't have much experience working with people with MS, but I'm open to learning. So I would say I learned a lot from the people I worked with, because they really there were all sorts of different abilities. A lot of people shared their own experience and their own fitness journey, what had worked for them and what they were currently doing. And then I did get some training as well. And then after that, i ended up taking a course that was specific for special populations. So I learned more about exercising for people with MS, parkinson's and different movement disorders. So, yeah, so it's definitely been a journey, but I would say the best part was spending time with people who are so positive and who are really again wanting to be there, wanting to focus on improving their strength and maintaining their strength regardless of their situation. It was very, very inspiring.
Speaker 1:
When you're doing those type of classes. I guess we'll stick specifically with multiple sclerosis. Is there specific strategies that you would employ? Is there specific things you would do to customize that, as opposed to working with someone without the disease?
Speaker 2:
Yes, absolutely So. Something that I did in the class at the time and I still do now, especially when I'm working one-on-one with people, is I have we start with a fitness assessment, and there's specific exercises and stretches that I do. So one of them is sitting on a chair, sitting towards the edge of the chair, straightening one leg and then reaching towards your toe, and this one assesses your flexibility, especially in the back of the leg and in your back, and many people with MS find that their flexibility becomes worse, that they become really stiff. So this was a good way to be able to see where they were initially, to track their baseline, and then we would do this assessment again every 12 weeks. So this gave us enough time to focus on stretches, exercises to help improve the flexibility and build strength, and I find every 12 weeks is good because it just gives you that motivation that you know okay, the next assessment is coming, i need to keep working, you don't lose steam, you don't lose motivation.
Speaker 2:
But doing that and then being able to compare your results is so great because and I've seen this, i would say for most people I've worked with over the past 10 years is that most people improve and they forget that they improve. So that's why it's so important to do the reassessments on a regular basis, because over time and I'm sure you've experienced this too you know, when you get into a routine, you kind of forget where you were. And you see, you know you start lifting heavier weights, you start to, you know, spend a bit more time, you know, on the bike or on the treadmill, whatever you're doing, and it starts to become easier, and then you do it a bit more and then you kind of push yourself a little bit more but your capacity gets, improves And you build that stamina. So it is fun to look at numbers, because I really believe numbers don't lie. So it really shows you, hey, the work I've been putting in it's really paying off.
Speaker 1:
Well, specifically with stretching, i have sworn and dedicated myself to stretching because I didn't do it most of my life and now I'm paying for it, but you don't notice progression very quickly. So I can see I'm measuring. That would be a really good thing because we know that it works, but it's not the easiest thing to see.
Speaker 2:
No, it's true, It's true, and a lot of people skip stretching because they don't think it is important. They think well, you know, lifting weights or using resistance or doing body weight exercises, i can feel myself getting stronger. But, like you say, you don't always see those improvements.
Speaker 1:
Guilty as charged for skipping that for 20 years.
Speaker 2:
No, you're not alone, Trust me No and we all pay for it too.
Speaker 1:
So this is a good time to bring up for those that are listening. We are not offering you advice today. We're speaking in general. This information is just that. It's information for you to use. If you're looking to implement something or starting to do something that you hear today, reach out to Meg, talk to your doctor. Just get some professional advice based on your unique situation. We all know that multiple sclerosis affects everyone in different ways, so your scenario might be very different and we don't want anyone doing something where they're going to end up hurt. Since you're brought up stretching, we'll start there. In terms of the people you've worked with with multiple sclerosis, is there certain areas of the body that they tend to find more difficult? that needs to be stretched out more?
Speaker 2:
Yes. So I would say definitely the back of the legs, and this is a stretch that I would do with a lot of people, regardless of their abilities. So when I was teaching the MS class, some people just walked straight into the class not needing any assistive devices. Others came in with a cane and some came in with wheelchairs. So it was really a fun and challenging class to teach because everyone had. You know, like you say, everyone has a different ability and the disease really does impact everyone in so many different ways. So, but that being said, i would say the main stretch we did focus on was for the hamstrings and calf muscles, for the back of the leg, and a good way to do that was to sit on one chair, and I would often bring another chair right in front of them and they could extend that leg, flex their foot and even put a band around the mid part of their shoe, so around their toe, and could gently pull the resistance band to help to really stretch the back of the leg. So that's what I would really recommend for mostly everybody.
Speaker 2:
And then another part of the body that gets sore and tight is our back. A lot of us spend a lot of time sitting down. So doing you know the cat and the cow stretch from a seated position can be really good If you're comfortable going on your hands and knees that's, rounding your back and an arch in your back And then even doing some stretches for your chest, because we tend to be sitting again leaning over. Oftentimes our chest gets very tight. So circling our shoulders backwards, making a point to sit a little straighter, pretending you're balancing like a book on your head, can also help with alignment to keep your ears over your shoulders, over your hips, and I think even stretching our necks, so looking side to side over your shoulder and up and down, can really help too. A lot of us do carry a lot of tension in our shoulders and our upper back, so I do see that those areas being really important to focus on flexibility.
Speaker 1:
As a guide for stretching. Would you think that would be a daily activity?
Speaker 2:
Yes, definitely, definitely. Every day is so good. Now I've coined this term a snack on exercise. And what it means to snack on exercise is to do three or four exercises at a time and fit it into your day. I still believe a lot of us, a lot of people believe well, i've got it, exercise or I have to stretch for a full hour, and if not, it doesn't count. And that is not true. The most people, if they are given the opportunity to either exercise for an hour or not at all, what are they going to choose? They're not at all. Well, i don't have time to exercise for an hour. Oh no, that's going to hurt. Or, you know, i can't do it with my current situation. That's just not possible. So I find that if people instead adopt the mindset of you know, doing what you can, but also snacking on exercise, do four or five stretches, start your day with that, it'll really really lead to some positive outcomes.
Speaker 1:
I like that snacking on exercise.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, it hits home with a lot of people, it's. It really does make you think okay, it doesn't have to be a big deal, it's going to be part of my day, part of my lifestyle And really that's what. That's what we're going for, because it will. And it's amazing how just doing 15, 10, 15 minutes of movement just does so many good things for your body prevents disease, good for our heart, Good for our brain as well, Good for circulation, good for our mental health, feeling more positive. So so many benefits.
Speaker 1:
I've learned to like it.
Speaker 2:
Okay, good, good for you.
Speaker 1:
I still prefer the biking and the weight training, but I've learned to like stretching it. It goes into yoga, of course, as well, but it's almost meditation like Okay, some other benefits there too.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. Now before we move on, i want to know what's made you enjoy it, because this is a lot of people struggle with this. So what's made you learn to enjoy stretching?
Speaker 1:
Actually, it was experimenting on myself as I've gone through this process of Being healthier, specifically to to stay healthier with this condition. I'm trying everything Pilates, yoga, weight training, spin by running, outdoor cycling, you name it. I'm trying it and Just figuring out what works best for me. In the month of May, i signed up for two different challenges for fundraising one was for Cycling and one was for running. I am not a runner, i've never been a runner, and my knees and IT band do not like me running. So I made it commitment to do about 20 minutes of stretching every single day, almost entirely focused on hip flexors, hamstrings and quads. Okay, good. So for the month of May, i cycled 450 miles and I ran 52 kilometers. My legs were extremely sore at the end of the month, i'm not gonna lie. However, i know for a fact that I wasn't doing the stretching and I wasn't doing the yoga, focused on hamstring and quads. I wouldn't have accomplished both. There's this I know, i know from my past. It would not have happened.
Speaker 2:
So yeah, yeah, good for you, And.
Speaker 2:
I think it's so good. I love what you did, like you signed up for these challenges. I think that is so key. I think it's so important. I think the people who are most committed and successful really are the ones who have a short-term goal and Sign up for something. I can share from my own experience that I ran a half marathon just a few weeks ago and I knew because I enjoy running, but I need to sign up for a race. If not, i won't do it, and I think most people I work with are the same way.
Speaker 2:
you know we have to have some kind of a goal. You know whether it's going on a trip or whether it's, you know, to be able to Keep up with your kids or your grandkids, or you know just something, something important to you Doesn't have to be a big goal, but something important. Anyways, my husband and I, we ran three days a week and We started to really enjoy it and I saw this, this crazy shift even within myself, that as the race got closer, we were committed to doing more stretching, we were committed to eating healthier, getting our protein shakes in, and it was like, okay, we're doing this, and it was amazing to see how that goal really makes you work, makes you, makes you show up and makes you do it. So if anyone is listening and they need a push Maybe you've seen a race. Maybe you've even seen like a walk-a-thon or something that's outside your comfort zone. Maybe this is your message to sign up and to commit and see what it does. It's really powerful.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, there's two things you said there that I really really like and it resonates with me. one if you start exercising and Whether it's cycling, running, whatever, walking, because walking super healthy and super good for you You will find you will start to eat healthier. if you're doing these activities, it just happens, you don't even have to think about it. And the second part, about just say yes and commit to it, you'll figure it out. For me, it was collecting donations, so I felt like I had to honor the donation, so that's why I was doing it. There were days when I didn't want to, but I'm like donating money, i got to go do it.
Speaker 1:
So Yes but whatever works for you, as long as you're moving, that's what counts.
Speaker 2:
That's right, yeah, yeah. Recently I heard about this concept called a keystone habit and There's this great book called the power of habit by Charles Duhigg. But he talks about a keystone habit is choosing to focus on one thing at a time, and With the people I work with, usually it's exercise. They reach out because they say, well, i'm not really doing much, i'm not exercising. I know it's important, i don't know what to do and I just know I just need to get started. And then they'll say in the next breath but I know I also need to eat healthier, i want to improve my sleep, i want to walk more, i want to drink more water. So usually what I say is well, let's focus on number one, let's start on exercising and moving your body more, and That's the keystone habit is starting just with that one thing.
Speaker 2:
And then often and usually what happens is There's all. It's like a ripple effect. All of these other things in life are affected in a positive way, and often it's sleep. You know, after a few weeks of right moving regularly, people start to sleep a little better. Maybe they don't make up at night in the same way they did. They're more motivated to have more healthy food because their body starts craving you know, more veggies, healthy grains.
Speaker 2:
And then there's other things like well, they're thirsty, or because they're they're doing more, so they start to drink more water. So it is so interesting. I see this all the time and I've asked a few people I work with said Would you identify that this has happened with you, happened as you've changed some habits? and they say, yes, actually, now you say it, it's true, so. So it is good to think and important to not focus on too many things all at once, but focus on the one thing and then And then just notice what, what changes, what are those other things you're inspired to do?
Speaker 1:
I Love that. I will add one additional tip, and it's From another habit book I can't remember. I can't remember which one. I think it's atomic habits. It could be the same book, i don't remember. Attach the habit to something you already do.
Speaker 1:
Yes so for me it's I get up in the morning, I have my coffee, then I do my workout, so that I'm gonna get up in the morning. Hopefully I'm gonna have my coffee, definitely. So I would just attach the exercise to the other end of it. If you attach it to something, it does become easier.
Speaker 2:
Yes, so that's the cue habit reward cycle. Yeah, i love it. So the cue for you would be the coffee getting up, having the coffee and then doing your workout. So what do you think the reward would be?
Speaker 1:
Well the reward for yourself after well, the reward for me is, and It's the feeling of accomplishing a workout, it's feeling good after the endorphins are flowing and it's the confidence. Because The way to decrease your confidence to say you're gonna work out and then you don't.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
But the opposite. The more you work out, the more you say I'm going to work out tomorrow morning and you get up and do it. That is a huge reward. You'll feel good about yourself, and then you'll do it again, and then you'll do it again, and then you'll do it again and Some people won't believe me, meg will. Once you get doing it for so long, you will not like missing it. Yes, i just saw. I mean this morning. It said something along the lines of You need a reason to work out. I need to reason to take a day off. We're different.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, no, i call that like the big shift right, it's when you because you know when you get started It's. It takes a lot of motivation. It's difficult to build that habit, but the big shift comes when you've done it so many times, like you're saying you feel good, it's part of your routine, and then you realize, oh, you know you have to miss it. Let's say an appointment comes up and you really miss it and you think, oh, my goodness, i don't feel as good. You know I'm not as positive or I'm struggling. Why am I so tired? Why am I feeling more achy? So that is, yeah, i find that's a huge thing to celebrate when you reach that, that stage in your workout death game.
Speaker 1:
So good. It's an amazing shift. It really is, and It will happen to everyone, because Your body, quick, your body will literally crave it. We talked about stretching. The other two avenues and exercise are cardio and weight training, or strength training. As far as people with multiple scruises do, you have a, let's say they're limited on time. Do cardio or do strength training.
Speaker 2:
Oh, good question, Good question Both. Well, i want to share this resource that I found. I don't know if any, everyone knows about it. You can find it through MS Canada, but it's called the MS Get Fit Toolkit and This is a really good, i would say, guidelines and advice in terms of what you should focus on. So what they suggest is 30 minutes of aerobic activity two times per week and strength training exercises for major muscle groups also two times per week. So that would be four days.
Speaker 2:
So if you're, if you say you know what I'm gonna do, 30 minutes four days a week, focus on the aerobics two days and strength the other two and I would say, if you have to choose, go with what is most what you feel like you need in that moment. So I'm not gonna say you need to do this, need to do that, but listen to your body, because I really believe often our body will tell us what we need. So if you, for example, are feeling a little bit stiff maybe you had a really busy weekend You say, oh, you know what, the idea of doing 30 minutes of aerobic activity just seems like a bit too much. Then focus on weights and And break it up, so it doesn't have to be 30 minutes in one chunk, but you can do 15 minutes and then take a break. Do 15 minutes later on in the day.
Speaker 1:
You can have cardio snacks weight snacks and stretching snacks.
Speaker 2:
Three types of snacks no calories. Actually negative calories best type of snack, yeah, and.
Speaker 2:
I think I just want to stress it's really important to listen to your body, and when I was teaching my class For people with MS, that's what I saw. I saw people come in and they would say Meg, just a heads up. Today I'm feeling, you know, really tired. It took me a lot to get here. I'm here, i'm just gonna do what I can. So I said, perfect, listen, listen to your body, focus on stretches today. And they had a few stretches in their back pocket that they they could do.
Speaker 2:
I had other people who said you know what? I really need? a good workout. I'm finally feeling like I can do a bit more. And They'd want to push and they would. They would know how much to do, but they'd know when to stop. And Then I also had a lot of people, too, who came in and they would say I'd over, did it last week And it's taken me a whole week to get back to feeling normal.
Speaker 2:
So One one of my tips to know, like, how do I know if I'm overdoing it, if I need to push, is keep it. Keep an exercise journal, and it can be as simple as just a blank notebook. And when I work with my clients one-on-one. This is something I provide for them and I told them to use it as they wish. But a really good way to use it is to assess and do a check-in. So how am I feeling today?
Speaker 2:
Okay, on, you know, between One being really low energy, ten being high energy, where do I fall on that scale And what do I need to do today? Now, sometimes our brain tells us not to do anything. We don't want to feel uncomfortable, you know we don't want to push ourselves. So it may be about listening and saying you know what I don't really feel like exercising. I know I'll feel better after, but today I'm going to focus on doing some weights and lower body exercises and spending 30 minutes on that. But then afterwards, right down, how did you feel? And because oftentimes we realize, like you're saying, callum, you're at the point where you say, oh, I did my workout.
Speaker 2:
I feel so good. But not everyone is at that stage. It takes a while to get there for many of us. So it's good to check in, notice how you feel And then the next day also write down how did you feel? Maybe you struggled to get out of bed, maybe you didn't sleep as well, or maybe you did. Maybe you felt really good. You slept really better than you have in a while. So keeping track can help to really show you if you've pushed too much or if you need to push a little harder next time.
Speaker 1:
The one thing I will add to all of that is that oftentimes, especially dealing with fatigue when I'm starting, i don't feel like doing it.
Speaker 1:
Or I might feel like it should be a lower impact, easier day. But I'll start with something a little bit more, we'll say aggressive, and then if I and then that helps me determine is it really my body or is it, or can I keep going, and I don't know the percentage of time, but oftentimes I can keep going, and it was just I needed to get started. And then if you can't get started, that's fine, just pull back and do something, go for a walk.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, no good advice, really good advice.
Speaker 1:
The other thing I was going to ask you and see if you would agree with this or not. We were talking about cardio versus weight training. There's lots of exercises out there where you can do both right.
Speaker 2:
Yes, yeah. So why not combine it? It's true, i love combination exercises or even adding a bit of cardio in between each exercise, and especially for people who do find they get overheated when they exercise, this is a really good way to cool off So you can break up your workout. So, for example, you could do let's say you do 10 squats and then you could march on the spot, or even jog on the spot, depending on your abilities, and then you could do another 10 squats and then do another form of cardio exercise, maybe going up and down stairs or even just using one stair to do some step ups And then moving to some weights. But I have found that people who do vary their workouts and give themselves time to cool off in between what they're doing can really feel like they still have the energy to push through, but also that they don't overdo it.
Speaker 1:
Awesome, we're running out of time, so I have one last question to you. This is the surprise one.
Speaker 2:
I love surprises.
Speaker 1:
We love good surprises. So if you meet someone tomorrow, they tell you they just diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, what advice would you give them in terms of health, fitness and trying to stay well?
Speaker 2:
I would give them four tips. Number one is start slow Start. Slow Start by snacking on exercise. Start with 15, 20 minutes and adjust your expectations. Allow that to be good. Tip number two is don't give up. Sometimes it takes people a while to see progress and to experience results, so don't give up too soon. Number three get into a routine. So, like we talked about building a habit, and the best way to do that, in my opinion, is choosing the same time every day. Like you said, right after your coffee, fit in your workout routine at the same time every day. And then tip number four is make adjustments as needed. So adjust for your energy level, adjust in terms of if you're feeling stiff or a little bit more tired or sluggish, and adjust for the weather, because often the weather affects people too, and if all your workouts are happening outside and it's raining or not great weather, you can try something else. So yeah, so those will be my tips Is just start and expect good things.
Speaker 1:
The key is just start And don't overthink. And just start And, as you said, adjust as needed And there will be adjustments.
Speaker 2:
Yes, yeah, definitely There will.
Speaker 1:
Anyway, how can people reach you?
Speaker 2:
Yes, so you can visit my website. It's wwwactivitiesinmotionca. I have a very full YouTube channel with over 400 and some videos. All that are between five and 25 minutes, so you can check out videos. There's lots of seated, lots of standing exercises. And then I have a Facebook group as well, at Home Fitness for Adults 50+, and it's a really great group of people all wanting to focus on better health and want to stay active.
Speaker 2:
So yeah, so I'd love to hear from you. If anyone has questions specifically about your condition or about what you want to do, what you can do, be sure to reach out. And then again I'll just tell you about the resource the MS Get Fit Toolkit and the Canadian Physical Activity Guidelines for Adults with Multiple Sclerosis. Those can be found on the MSCanadaca website. So really good resources. They really give examples of what to do, how much to do and different adjustments to make as well.
Speaker 1:
Okay, i will put the contact information in the show notes so people can find it. And, meg, this has been awesome. This has been fun The only disappointing part I have on this whole podcast is that we have to stop because I have about 15 more questions to ask you.
Speaker 2:
Sounds like a part two.
Speaker 1:
It was a not so subtle hint. I'm just saying, meg, it's been great having you on the podcast today. I really hope we get to do this again sometime in the future. Our knowledge and expertise is come shining through and I'm sure everyone who's listening has walked away with something that they can use in their life to improve their health. If you've enjoyed the podcast, please like and share it with friends. Leave us a comment or a review telling us what you like or what you'd like to see again. Courage Meg, to come back on, if you will. I'll have another release for us in two weeks. Thanks for listening and until next time, stay strong. MUSIC.